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I love your take on Cal Newport and others who live in a world when time/space magically appears (because others are actually doing a whole host of things to support them); and I love your pre-deciding strategy! For me, there are many ideas in Oliver Burkeman's 4,000 Weeks that I keep returning to, including the reminder (that mindfulness teachers also stress) to detach from outcomes as much as possible and focus on what daily work can be done (because outcomes are out of your control anyway). What little bit I can get done right now can be fulfilling in and of itself. I have very little control even over my daily work, much less any outcome, because I am always interrupted and my plans are rarely without detour. But if I can start in anyway, and acknowledge that, yes, I will be interrupted and will very likely NOT finish x, y, or z today, I will also complete something, and enjoy those precious moments of "productivity" or creativity right now.

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

I used to compare my output to friends’ prolific writing… then realized none of the friends I compared myself to had kids!

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Such wisdom here, thank you both!

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I’m a 4,000 Weeks fan too, Robin! I feel like it’s a club. Anyone who has read it is usually talking about it all the time, although I always warn people to skip reading it if they’re already having an existential crisis!

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I read The Antidote, too, and subscribe to his email newsletter - I'm a fan (and glad you said "club" and not "cult" haha). It can be a bit overwhelming, his take on things, but I really appreciate the reality check!

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My challenge is not kids but managing chronic illness, which has different but not unrelated implications for productivity (a word I really don’t like).

I don’t know how useful this is for anyone else but for me I noticed that the best writing experiences generally depended on mood, and so anything I could do to get myself into a playful mood would then translate into easier, faster, more enjoyable writing. The thing that gets me there is usually journaling about dumb stuff at the cafe, but dancing does it too.

That may not be useful for the people whose challenge is busy family life, but I mention it anyway because it does translate into better writing for me, and a better experience of writing. (And less time writing, which I need because I don’t have capacity for long stretches.)

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Yes! Thank you for that perspective. There are just so many different things that make the kind of factory line model of efficiency not work for so many people's writing life, and chronic illness is such an important example.

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Also, just realised why productivity as goal bothers me so much in this context - so much of my illness and burnout was caused by a “push at all costs” life and mindset. I have regained a desire to pursue things and do after many years, but I want nothing to do with productivity as its own goal anymore. It truly makes me shudder!!!

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This is a great tip!

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

I have ADHD, so the only way I’ve found to get something done is to set a timer for a certain amount of time (usually two hours) and give myself mental permission to DO THE THING. My issue is both the “getting started” and the idea that any task will take “four hours.”

Once the alarm goes, I can keep working or stop. Usually I keep working, because there’s no guarantee my brain will cooperate after a break.

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Yes! I have a tomato clock on my browser for just this reason, and it's so helpful

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

But it is NOT Pomodoro. It’s “sit down and don’t move for this amount of time.”

I can’t do the pomodoro method because it takes me out of hyper focus I spent half an hour getting into!

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

Same here (the ADHD and the timer!) I also break writing projects down into tasks and put them on my Asana to do list with everything else in my life (ie write intro, do laundry, call so-and-so.) If it’s not on the list with a deadline, it doesn’t get done.

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Who enforces your deadlines? :)

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Welllll that depends on what the task is…I’ve been known to move deadlines around lol. But since I use the same list for work and non-work items, everything feels equally important (I’m self-employed.) And the way Asana turns overdue tasks red is surprisingly effective.

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

Oh I had a very similar reaction to Deep Work which I read when I had very young kids.

I think the best piece of advice I go back to is that getting a little bit done can add up to a lot over time -- if you write 200 words a day you can draft a book in a year. Most days even 200 words is too much for me! But it helps me to remember that just working on what little thing I can can add up to a lot over time. There are times in my life when I just won't be able to write very much but getting a little bit done is still something.

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Yes, I think that's so important! I have a postcard I put on my bulletin board in front of my desk sometimes that says "big things happen one day at a time"

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Years ago I read David Allen’s Getting Things Done, and it changed my life. The most important thing I learned was how to create doable to-do lists. It’s about understanding the difference between a project (create world peace) and a next action (invite next door neighbors to dinner to get to know them better). Whenever I feel overwhelmed, I dump my brain and make lists on paper of everything I need to, want to, and must do. Then I figure out which level each item is really at. That makes it possible for me to figure out what’s next. I also like his review process.

And at his suggestion, I bought a label maker. To me that alone was worth the price of the book. I label folders, notebooks, drawers, containers. I put a label on my car’s dashboard to remind me of how much gas I really have left when the little yellow warning light goes on. I label charger cords so I know what device to match them with and which power cord to pull out from the power strip. Saves so much time and anguish!

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Those labels sound so satisfying! 😄

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Yes, they are! Finding what I need when I need it is priceless. And so is things having their place. Frees my mind up for other things. Though I’m not perfect at it. At least once a week I have to go on a search for something.

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Oh my gosh finally somebody else who feels the same way about that Cal Newport book. That books makes me furious. Also did he have one example of a woman in that book? It was all famous men examples. Also that book could be a magazine article or one line: if you can don’t interrupt yourself. Thank you!!

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He definitely strikes me as the kind of guy who's maybe never met a woman, or at least one whose ideas he thought were worth listening to!

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👍🏽😵‍💫

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Mar 17Liked by Nancy Reddy

Yes, breaking it down has really been the most helpful to me, particularly as a person who has a lot of interruptions throughout the day. "Open File" is a great to do item for me, if I've got 15 minutes, I can do that! I also like the advice from The Artist's Way, "Treating myself as a precious object will make me strong." What I take that advice to mean is that, if I set a goal to Open the File, and I Open the File, I don't berate myself for the fact that it's taken me a week or that that's ALL I could bring myself to do morning, or whatever. I congratulate myself. I did what I said I was gonna do! I feel like that gives me more momentum.

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"Treating myself as a precious object will make me strong." So great! I actually have not read The Artist's Way, though a lot of the ideas from the book (morning pages, artist dates) have been really helpful to me, so thank you for sharing that ❤️

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Mar 18Liked by Nancy Reddy

These comments are AMAZING! I’m writing down everyone’s tips in my journal right now. Thanks so much for opening this space, Nancy!

It’s 1:00 P.M. here, and I’m in bed next to my napping 8 month old. We are never, ever apart. I sleep with her, breastfeed her around the clock, and feel irrational guilt over leaving her with dad for any alone time. My practice for creative fulfillment when so much depends on me: do everything that would disappoint my mother in law. I don’t get dressed or brush my teeth until 4:00 P.M. most days. I don’t change my baby out of her pajamas for three days at a time. I don’t cook. I don’t clean. I lay in bed next to my sleeping baby and write. When she’s awake, I cushion all the sharp furniture, sit beside her on the floor as she explores the room, and write some more. I assume this will get much harder with more babies in the mix, but I hope to carry this carelessness with me forever.

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Mar 18Liked by Nancy Reddy

The thing that helped me finish my book was never having a "zero" day. As long as I have done one thing (that can be one sentence written, one paragraph revised, even one minute in the document trying to figure something out), I did not have a zero day. In other words, set the bar extremely low so you can meet it. I often did much more, of course, but the knowledge that I could meet the bar and had the record of having met it for a long streak motivated me in a non-harsh-disciplinarian way.

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I love this idea so much, Sara! it's such a smart way of lowering the bar while keeping yourself going. and yay for finishing your book!!

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Love this! Setting the bar low is still getting something done every day. I’m going to borrow this mindset.

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Writing during commercial breaks of all the trash TV I watch at night. I get to relax part of my brain, know breaks are about 3-4 minutes long (so it’s not an overwhelming chunk) and end up doing more than I think.

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I love Cal Newport AND I always felt his advice was for a person with a partner who could take on the minutiae of daily life that happens when you have children (especially little children). So I always take his work with a grain of salt.

One of the things that works great for me is working in “sprints” - usually 20-25 hyper focused minutes followed by a 5-10 minute break. If I’m in the middle of a sprint when the timer goes (I always set a timer), and I’m flowing well I will press “repeat” for another 20-25. If I struggle to get to the end of the first timer I take a break, and a few breaths, do something else for a few minutes and then try again. For me it alleviates this pressure to do it all at once and it allows me to stay on one thing at a time. If something else comes up during the sprint can make a note to do it/ check it/ look at it online during my break.

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I found Writing Wild by Tina Welling helpful. She encourages writers to look to nature for inspiration and to start so small, like write a list of things this pinecone reminds you of or write a list of observations about this flower. It’s a technique you can use anywhere. Even your journal! I find it very freeing to not worry about writing full sentences or paragraphs in the early stages or when I get stuck! And sometimes something truly interesting and organic shines through.

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I haven't heard of this book! Thanks for the tip!

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Ahh the synchronicities! While I haven’t read Cal’s book, I was thinking of doing so and possibly including it as one of the comps for my first book proposal. I’m really glad you wrote this and that I read it, because now I will not be doing that!! Yikes, no thank you Cal. My book is about unplugging and practicing daily self-care during tiny windows of time in our days. ☺️

Also related: while my husband is an AMAZING partner and does a ton for our family and household…my current wish is to listen to a podcast about how partners can “share the invisible load.” I told my bestie yesterday I feel like I’m doing well splitting up the household tasks…but I’m still the one doing the splitting. More progress is needed!! I’m going to ask him to listen to the podcast with me, and then to have a conversation about it.

Anyway, so wild to have these two things happen this week and then read this piece.

On a more related note, yes: your thoughts on creating smaller tasks to accomplish larger writing goals are spot on. I did my first round of editing my book proposal this week (thank goodness for reliable childcare), and as a relative newbie to the process (and to dedicated writing in general), I learned a LOT about what my limits are with editing. Like whoa. 😵‍💫

I do my best work using the Pomodoro method (25 min on, 5 min off, eventually with longer breaks), and I’m discovering how much this book process is taking out of me (especially while waking 3 times/night with kiddos). I was in a “zone” for days which affected my normal work output, both with clients and around the house. Luckily I’d kind of anticipated it, but it’s a work in progress!

Thanks again!!

PS my life currently runs on post it notes (and my paper calendar)

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thanks for these thoughts, Nikki! I wouldn't say don't read Deep Work--just take it with a grain of salt. and depending on what you're doing, it might be an excellent comp--it's sold a ton of copies, which is what you really want with comps--you don't have to endorse every idea, but you're saying people who bought this book will buy my book, too.

and for what it's worth, I think the kind of big scale work you're doing on a book proposal (as opposed to edits on an essay for example) are uniquely challenging, so it makes sense that it feels hard!

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Nancy, thank you for taking the time to share these insights. I really appreciate it. 😊

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Do you have a podcast in mind on the topic? Would love this approach of listening together!

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Hi Erin! Yes, I have one saved. Full disclosure that I haven’t listened yet (as I’d really like to do so with my husband, rather than twice), so I can’t vouch for the content one way or the other! But hopefully it will be at least a good jumping-off point for some conversation.

Here’s the link:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3BkwkMJCTiOS1Tam40uX24?si=zWoEOeC5RP-aS1xD5NzApg

If that’s not clickable, you can try to direct message me, or look up “MomWell” and “invisible load” where you listen to podcasts.

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Mar 19Liked by Nancy Reddy

I have not read "Deep Work," but I want to take issue with what you (or Cal) is characterizing as "shallow work." Another commenter calls it minutiae. I realize there are many tedious tasks in everyone's life, but those tedious tasks ARE essential and have a deep dimension to them, if only in their repetition and in connecting us to all other human beings (except those with servants and/or exploited family members!). If you do some "shallow" writing (editing, moving things around, doodling new ideas, opening the file), you are still building the edifice. You are still expressing yourself on the page (or in the file). Your brain will work on writing issues while you do the dishes or fold the laundry if you let it and don't stress that you're not getting enough time on your higher calling. (Artist's Way recommends household tasks as a way to get unstuck from writer's block.) Our work is valuable. Our time is valuable. Or, as one commenter put it, "precious." I realize I'm not giving a tip here. I am more recommending a shift in perspective. We don't have to envy those imperious fools whose work rides on the backs of others who get no credit . Furthermore, if we have the means, we can ask for and pay for extra help if that creates the balance we need. Also, we can let lots of "household duties" slide and create our own priorities/standards in our day-to-day. Above all, we do not need to denigrate the moment-by-moment critical work that we all (men and women and non-binary) must do and can rightfully take pride in.

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thanks for this, Susan! "Shallow work" is Cal Newport's term, and he uses it mostly (someone else who's read Deep Work more recently can feel to chime in with additional detail or info, if you like) to describe the kind of administrative tasks that interrupt deep work--answering emails, responding to slack messages, going to meetings. (I'm not sure that he knows laundry has to be folded! Domestic work doesn't show up anywhere in his books that I can think of!)

So I certainly agree with you that domestic labor and other life maintenance things can be deeply meaningful--the number of times I've figured something out in my writing while running a vacuum cleaner or scrubbing a pot or walking a kid to school is not small!

I'm really interested in the distinction you're making about "shallow" writing tasks, which I think is really helpful--and another reminder to give ourselves credit for *all* the labor that goes into our writing and our lives.

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Mar 19Liked by Nancy Reddy

I guess I'm thinking that most of us love the "aha" of coming up with a project or getting deep into a character or being inspired to write a poem and following it through. The part of writing that we might not value as much (or look forward to, or create time for) might be fact-checking or revising or finishing or showing to others. Our first instinct might be to say "that's not really writing," when what we really mean is "that's too hard," or "that terrifies me." So I guess I'm urging myself and others to value all parts of the process and to approach them with courage and curiosity, even when they seem tedious or "shallow."

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I appreciate that! There's a great moment in an Elizabeth Gilbert interview (maybe in On Being?) where she talks about how much of writing is actually about being able to tolerate incredible boredom, and I think that's a useful perspective in connection with the "aha!" and bright shiny beginnings of projects you talk about here!

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Mar 19Liked by Nancy Reddy

BTW, you're a great moderator. You encourage many perspectives and don't take things personally. Thanks for allowing me to be a little bit contrary!

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Thank you! I'm so thrilled with how rich this conversation has been. (And I'm maybe often the contrary voice, either out loud or in my heart so 🤷‍♀️😉)

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Omfg THISSSSSS

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Mar 18·edited Mar 18Liked by Nancy Reddy

Wow, thank you for sharing this post! In 2018, I found a different approach to writing time: writing in short snippets of time, even 5 to 10 minutes, in order to write more often. Since then, I find that motivation to write is strong. It's more about wanting to finish editing my book so soon (I thought last year!) and working on moving through it faster.

My favourite thing is to be with our family. I usually work on my book in the evening, but if I'm attending an online webinar about writing/publishing or working on my newsletter or tired enough to just relax, then it sometimes means I don't work on my book for several days until the next evening session. Tonight, for example, I felt tired (I think from swimming this morning) so I wrote a motivational note to myself in colourful marker and put that in front of my computer, and that helped! I also took a short relaxing break first, knowing I was so determined to write tonight that the break wouldn't get in the way.

Great tip! "Before I go to bed, I make a note on a post-it about what I’m going to work on the next day, so that when I have time to write, I’m not spending any of that time deciding what I’m going to do." I totally relate to the, "Huh, which of the several writing projects I want to do should I work on now?" And that's even though I have a list! I think, inspired by your idea, that I should make a list of my listed projects in terms of priorities, and put a time estimate next to some of the steps. I generally make a note of what to do next for my novel when I work on it, but not the other factors I described here. Great idea! Thanks!

Thank you for sharing all this!

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So glad this was helpful! And I think you're really right that those short snippets add up! We'll be talking about priorities in the April intentions post, so stay tuned 😉

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Ooh that sounds great--I look forward to discussing! My newsletter Doing the Write Thing is primarily driven by my hope to help other writers find what helps them keep writing (or enjoying whatever their creative project might be), so I really value that topic!

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Good advice on the sticky note! And also, thank you for being honest about productivity when it comes to writing.

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There's so much productivity advice that makes it seem like the goal is to make yourself into an efficient robot, and I think it doesn't work for so many of us! It's possible to be really committed to your creative work, even if you have other things competing for your attention.

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Yes all this. I started writing snippets while my granddaughter naps and found out a sound machine and a dark room are ideal for writing!

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